I hear that the V8s have been removed from the Scunthorpe fixtures on 7th November due to internal promotion issues, does anybody know if this includes the f2s as well or whether it will have any effect on the racing this weekend at either track?
Also does anybody know how many cars are booked in for each meeting. I would expect to see 50+ and 30+ on Sunday.
Fingers crossed the rain this week will mean we have a lovely weekend to look forward to.

F2 Stock Cars are definately on the programme for the 7th November and it is their track championship decider - It is correct that V8's and Ministox have been removed according to the Scunthorpe website - and the fixture is now F2 Stock Cars and Pre 75 Bangers plus a Firework display.

This I presume will be down to sheer volume of cars and timing - It gets awfully cold at Scunny on a Saturday night in November and will be geared with Bangers and fireworks to, hopefully, a local audience.

This weekend I think your presumption of cars for both fixtures will be right - Saturday night is also F1 qualification for the £1000 BriSCA Supreme sponsored by Guy and myself which takes place at Sheffield Sunday. Both days are also 2010 WCQR and NS rounds.

I think from what I know Scunny will have around 48 cars - a number of drivers this time ARE doing the double, the Shoot Out drivers are booked for both as are a number of Whites & Yellows including Russell Cooper giving Sheffield a go!

If there was ever a reason, unlike July, to plan a double shale weekend and give Sheffield much needed BriSCA fan support - this is the weekend, 2 great events and a mouth watering on paper line up for both events in terms of what is on offer.

I will be giving it my support but you will not be so lucky with others who have jumped ship, i am prepared to give it one last shout despite being alienated by low car numbers, boring racing, and formulas being axed but not knowing till you get there!! On the plus side as a family man you are one of the cheapest to visit nowadays with Incarace now wanting £18 PER MEETING for my kids to play on the grass, who would have thought that 5 years ago they were the cheapest and now they have leapfrogged about 6 promotions to become the dearest!!! I pay you £20 PER YEAR with the kidzclub, a super super idea Steve, protect the future.
Monday night will bring you the best crowd just a shame it has been advertised incorrectly as havin brisca minis in attendance and that would have been enough to keep us there for Monday too.
Funny how rumours spread, i was told guy had fallen out with rob because of the bangers and then he goes and ADDS bangers to the meeting!!
Well done for trying to make it a weekender but i fear it will be only the drivers who attend not the crowd im sad to say.

I am unsure which meeting you refer to across the weekend and both tracks need crowd support.
Ministox Monday was a misprint and removed, I think only you had noticed it and it was corrected immdiately. With regard to Scunthorpe removing formulae, Bangers were always programmed for 7/11 as far as I am aware.
We have only once as far as I am aware removed a formula at Sheffield which was V8's due to fixture congestion and lack of cars.
Sheffield certainly does very well for Bangers but stock car wise generally loses money - despite the fact it delivers usually slick meetings. End of May and July suffered car wise due in the main to poor fixture planning however this event with what is on offer over the two meetings will be an
acid test to be honest and, for us will be a decider for 2010. Much as I love F1's - Sunday may be the last event - we have planned two F1 fixtures at the venue in 2010 but, can relocate them, and we may elect to concentrate on Bangers at Owlerton. Unfortunately, people have accented on car numbers and tend for some reason have some prejudice against Sheffield which is unfair given the events running and action provided.
The biggest factor with Sheffield and any venue is Sunday afternoons which just are not popular anywhere anymore unless it's special - hence a planned experiment for a Monday night Sheffield in 2010 for F1/F2 -
Sheffield has been pared back to two F1 outings in 2010.

We can do no more than await the acid test - and if it is not supported, then that is commercial reality. If it ceases F1 it is unlikely to return.

Sheffield is one of the finest tracks within BriSCA - It has several issues, it needs really to return to Bank Holidays - but cannot as they are more economically viable at Belle Vue, it needs everyone to get off it's back for whatever reason, the two mid season meetings, whilst good action wise, suffered car wise, but 90% of comments re Sheffield having a point of view on either crowd or car numebrs and causing negative vibes were not there - and many of the same people if and when it goes will lament it's passing in years to come.
The fence is certainly a car breaker potentially and always has been since 1976 - and the sport has changed, so are the plans for the fence on which work has already started -but, without crowd support, we cannot be expected to continue investment.
Sundays are the most difficult day to run and Saturdays are out of the equation.
Put into perspective, crowds at Sheffield in May and July are not wildly different to many other tracks quieter meetings - just Sheffield costs more to run.

I should imagine everybody wants bh mondays! i think you have more than anybody so musnt grumble.
Tracks only lose car numbers greater than any other for a reason! People have reasons, i know mine, there are so many people who have said they will attend Scunny but not sheffield, im not sure what it is missing but will be giving my ex favourite shale track just one more chance and i have to say as much as i would hate to see it go i would rather you put the meeting somewhere else as it cant get much worse there for you especially with this fight in the restaurant as well, i hope you take a good hard look at how many people are there on sunday and yeah 2 meetings a year is probabaly about its limit, even hedno had that and still got no one there and i bet there will be no f1 fans there next month either.
Even i am now going to have to reduce my meetings next year due to the increase in costs at 3 other [ edited] tracks. The punters moan when it goes up a quid, i now have to pay £18 EXTRA at every one of these [edited] race meeting so i will just be going on my own so £32 quid they get will be £13 so not very clever considering they dont get many kids anyway so why penalise the kids its financial suicide, you dont charge the adults 33%-40% below other promotions and then penalise the kids when your adults MUST be making about 95% of the gate returns. I just dont get it.

Alan, I repeat what I said earlier, crowds at the recent Sheffields are not disimilar to run of the mill Brums, Nir, Skeggies etc - It is just the cost of operation is far higher which is the stumbling blocks.
The two lowest crowds have been between 718 and 850 in July and May respectively - which is, for example comparable to average premier league speedway at the same venue - but the additional costs in higher rent, fence installation etc makes it much more costly.
What is important is the independent feedback we get from Sheffield, May and July respectively again, from new visitors, all positive - and I thought the July event was a cracker and finished by around 5.pm.

So, let's look at everything Sheffield has to offer - Excellent facilities - amongst the best, cover all the way round, ample bars and catering and at reasonable prices, generally excellent racing, improved pit area - generaly timely run meetings despite the hazards of the fence, reasonable value for money within the structure of the sport.

What are it's disadvantages - Over analysis on the internet [ so offence intended ] yet a meeting at Bristol for example with 16 - 24 cars would be deemed 'excellent and we will look forward to next year and hopefully a few more cars' - yet, the world has ended - forget the action and entertainment element - negative over analysis is the biggest contributory factor in so much as you read stuff and it prevents people not going because of what they have read which in many cases isonly opinion.
Sunday afternoons' extremely difficult anywhere these days and increasingly so
As far as BriSCA race divisions - a 1970's style fence and fast narrow track - certainly a deterrent factor for drivers and something we continue to work ongoing.
BUTevents such as WCQR and looking likely this Sunday, it gets the cars when the meeting is worth attending for drivers and fans.

As for the fracas in the bar at the end of a 6000 audience Banger meeting, unhelpful, and unfortunately alcohol related and I believe a one off as in fifteen years promoting it is the first such incident we have had - and anyway, such is life today, much more common than any of us would like and thankfuly an extreme rarety in our sport.

I am grateful that you are giving it your support and sincerely hope you persuade many others to be similarly liberally minded.

I do find it hard these days to understand what `fans' want whcih impinges on seperate debates over fixture list, more - or less - and I guess if we ran to what the majority wanted - and what some drivers - and many fans would like, 25 - 30 dates which whilst good - to a degree for some drivers - and `hard core fans' - this restricts the expansion of the sport to a wider audience and building local support.

We have invested in much more advertising - SHEFFIELD STAR FRIDAY & SATURDAY - Posters - TELEGRAPH - GAZZETTE - METRO and Daily Mirror.

And, despite everything on offer NO increase in admission price

NB would appreciate you removing references to other promotions on our website and if you feel you have a grievance elsewhere - respectfully take it direct so they have a chance to respond fairly - we will respond to any comments about ourselves but not other promotions

Maybe i moaned about the last Sheffield as i hadnt been home since the previous weekend at NIR and after 10 days on the road and 5 kids we were all a little strung out.
Yes i am liberally minded, i do try my best to accept but like everyone i have my tolerances. I should never be penalised for what i say although i dare say its the way i say it not what i say.
Its now officially cheaper for me to let Katie race at Wheels and NIR than it is to spectate. Somethings wrong somewhere.
Hope we still have the kidzclub next year.
See you Sunday.

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Totally agree with your sentiment there!

Whilst I am the promoter and therefore vested interest, I am a fan since 1967 and there is little different now about Sheffield to 1977 - 78 when it was getting mid thirsties and F2's were added to the bill on Monday night's - It died in the 80's and has always had a chequered history support wise both sides of the track.

That said, as a sport, we should be getting behind it and righting some of the injustices in comments the venue has received before it is lost. We need more shale tracks and certainly more with Sheffields' facilities, not less hence my public support for Scunthorpe despite the affact on Sheffields fortunes.

The place, like Stoke, seems to attract more comment than any other track - and despite a fans desire to vsisit many different venues, how many tracks have been tried and failed due to lack of support across three or four decades ?

Racing at Sheffield is on a part with most places - perhaps we should, like speedway, make it look fuller and thereby create an atmosphere, by restricting where people should view akin to Speedway where only part of the stadium is used - atmosphere has a lot to do with it - daylight personally does nothing for me.

But really we should be looking at an S.O.S. Support our Sheffield
Actually not so funny and mildly serious!

Sundays programme does reveal plans for both the Kidz Clubs continuance in 2010 and the Season Ticket offer

Was going to stay at the track first scunthorpe and do sheff sunday but a after a call to the track earlier in the week was told you can't stay over because we'll have to lock the gates. Yet as we left for home many other motorhomes appeared to be staying over. Whats the situation with the car park Steve or do I need to contact the track again?

Not sure Andy at Scunny but I do think they lock the place up - they have those big gates as you come in - e-mail guy on gjp516@hotmail.com

There will be no problem if you want to make the short drive down to Sheffield - you might even get there by around 10.pm and get in for the end of greyhounds free and a pint and of course there is Mc'Ds KFC etc and a good pub just by the church on the corner of the car park frequented by Wedensdayites on Match days.

Last F1 meeting they kindly left the gates open, well closed to but not locked BUT as you come out of the stadium go straight over the roundabout and on the right is a truckstop where you can stop. Its about 100 yards from the stadium.